Hi There

I am considering Themeframe after trying out Headway (couldn't get my head around it) and I have two questions:

1. Do you offer a cooling-off period for a refund? Some themes give you 30days to tryout and give you a refund if you don't like the theme.
2. Is the code leaner than Atahualpa's generated code. I ask this because I built a site with Atahualpa and the custom CSS ads a tonne of code that the site takes forever to load, so much so, I am having to rebuild the site. Do you have sample sites I could look at to see how it reders the source code?

Thanks

Kay

The developer should get back to you about this

Thanks Juggledad for you reply, will wait for the developers reply.

1. You can get a refund within 30 days.
2. Themeframe created themes don't have the CSS inline. To check the source code, see themeframe.com which is built with ThemeFrame, it doesn't have sidebars at the moment but those wouldn't add much code.


P.S.: In Atahualpa, you can adjust the theme options and have the CSS served in an external file instead of being placed inline. The reason to put the CSS inline in the first place, with the option to change it, is that serving the - fully dynamic - CSS in an external file requires most of WP to be loaded twice, once for the page itself, and one more time for the CSS file. And directly accessing the DB to grab the options is not allowed by WP for wordpress.org listed themes. If you wonder why other themes don't have the issue: They simply don't have the feature (of fully dynamic CSS).

In Themeframe you don't have the issues described above, the CSS file is a static file, and the editing is done inside the TF app, not inside the theme.

Hi Flynn

Thanks for your reply, really kind of your to explain in detail, I checked the code for themeframe.com and it looks more like what I would hope for. I really liked Atahualpa but didn't like all the inline CSS on a page per page basis. I am happy to purchase Themeframe, hopefully, I wont need to request a refund.

The site I was talking about is inspirationalrisk.com, I will rebuild it with Themeframe to see how easier it is and hopefully end up with cleaner code. By the way, I didnt know Atahualpa's custom CSS could be served to an external sheet, is that a recent feature?

Anyway, thanks again for your help.

Kay

I don't believe the inline/external CSS choice is new. Just go to ATO>Configure CSS & JS and set to external to see what it does for you.

@Imilesw
Thanks for the headsup, maybe I just missed it.

@Flynn
Just paid and downloaded Themeframe, hope it works out well cause I really need something that works for a visual oriented person (code scares me!)

Originally Posted by ocube

@Imilesw
Thanks for the headsup, maybe I just missed it.

@Flynn
Just paid and downloaded Themeframe, hope it works out well cause I really need something that works for a visual oriented person (code scares me!)

Hell...just LOOKING at code makes me break out in hives...dealing with it would probably cause (another) heart attack. I'm getting TF in a few minutes...yesterday I couldn't even SPELL web developer...tomorrow I'll BE one...LOL. Thanks for the great work, Flynn.

Flynn - please read your inbox that I sent you last Friday. Thank you.

@clc:

I have only one email from clc....@gmail.com, the payment confirmation, can you please send again...

Originally Posted by Flynn

1. You can get a refund within 30 days.

That's really great. It makes my decision much easier. But hopefully I don't need it.

Originally Posted by Flynn

... If you wonder why other themes don't have the issue: They simply don't have the feature (of fully dynamic CSS).

In Themeframe you don't have the issues described above, the CSS file is a static file, and the editing is done inside the TF app, not inside the theme.

What is the advantage of "fully dynamic CSS" in Atahualpa over a static file?

The advantage of fully dynamic CSS is that you can make changes to the theme style in the WordPress backend and it shows up right away in the front end.

Hi,

I've bought another product which allows you to make WP themes and others. Wont mention the name but it starts with an "A". If you know the product you'll know what I'm talking about.

Great for making quick, standard WP theme's but if you want be creative, it's very limited and mainly works on pre-installed options.

Question... ThemeFrame do I have total design freedom?



Cheers

to answer that, take a look at this thread: ThemeFrame - Showing off

It's OK to mention Artisteer. I too have bought that and I now don't use it for just the reason you mentioned. Themeframe gives you much more control but also requires more knowledge and creativity. Artisteer let's you click a few buttons and have theme but if you want it to look "custom" it is more time consuming IMHO.

Originally Posted by guyinoz1

Hi,

I've bought another product which allows you to make WP themes and others. Wont mention the name but it starts with an "A". If you know the product you'll know what I'm talking about.

Great for making quick, standard WP theme's but if you want be creative, it's very limited and mainly works on pre-installed options.

Question... ThemeFrame do I have total design freedom?



Cheers

Originally Posted by lmilesw

It's OK to mention Artisteer. I too have bought that and I now don't use it for just the reason you mentioned. Themeframe gives you much more control but also requires more knowledge and creativity. Artisteer let's you click a few buttons and have theme but if you want it to look "custom" it is more time consuming IMHO.

Good, you know what I mean then

Thanks for info and ty juggledad for the link.

The only drawback for me on both atahualpa and Themeframe (?) is the sheer size of the css. I'm in a highly competitive affiliate vertical and to obtain decent Google serps, I need the bot to access my content sooner than later. 2,000+ lines of code before reaching the opening body tag doesn't do me any favours.

Once the theme/layout is designed is there reason why the css is not accessed externally (apart from increasing connections)?


Cheers

As far as I know ThemeFrame uses an external stylesheet

And you can set Atahualpa to external in the theme options (ATO>Configure CSS & JS)